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A new System against hacker

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1A new System against hacker Empty A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:12 pm

loon

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Final Version

I would like to introduce this community to a new system in order to give accused people of hacking a fair chance, and make this community a hacker free zone. First, many people would be asking what are the different this new system have compare to most of the system we have (era, united ref, pwp)

Weakness of old system


ERA:
-Most time the final words, were given by a era member
-Most people would flame topic, and get it locks

PWP:
-Most of thing are in member section so no one can see
-Not enough opinion given from the community, but mainly from pwp

United Ref:
- Too many random people ( that wish to keep their identities hidden)
- Lack of organization
- Leader of the organization are not well known enough and respected in community

The New System:

- Every clans that has been on quake for a long period (3-4years) of times (we would like American clans only for the purpose of a fair trial and because we would have a better knowledge of every players) or it is actually well respected enough will have one leader and their co-leader as a JUDGE in this system. (If clan that have more than one leader, they can have 2 leaders instead of one leader and one Co-leader)

- sBs won't be the supreme judge, every invited judge, will cast their vote in order to elect ONE person that will be moderating the SUSPECTED CHEATER/CAUGHT CHEATER section.

- ALL DECISION MADE (Caught Cheater, Illegal Command usage, Dropped players) would have to be unanimous to every clans that accept the invitation ( in order words, if player A is a caught cheater, ALL SERVER OF EVERY CLAN have to ban him)

- There will be 2 sections for suspected cheater, one open for public and the person accused, and one that will be PUBLIC, but will always be lock and only JUDGE can post comment on it, and would always have the demo/ss as the first post of topic. And finally when a verdict is reach, the name will go on list of hacker that will be like a search engine (moderate by Dan aka insomia), and a caught cheater section where no public can post on it.

Modification from old system?


- No flame, or spam will be on the main topic, people would be able to follow judge decision without having to go through all the spam

- No one nor clan is superior to an another, and the SUPREME JUDGE has been selected by its colleague

- sBs IS ONLY HOSTING AND PART OF IT, HAVE NO CONTROL NOR CAN MANIPULATE DECISION

- Everything is public, so everyone can see what judge have decided, and there wont be any judge abusing of his power, to speak for the rest

- Since everything is public, the verdict for one, have to be the same for any person who will do or repeat the same act (get he favoritism out of the way)

- If one clan [died/withdraw] judges can then decide if yes or not to invite another clan to take their spot

- There will be exactly 21 Judges (one would be the supreme) but this number seem to be a lot, however, with people inactive, people rather not commenting on a matter, this number can be very appropriate for most case.

The main idea and why we proposing it

-This community is splitting apart each days, and hackers just hate refs, and refs hate hackers, people are mistreated for the act that someone else have done in the past but got a more favorable verdict. What this would do is, bring us all closer, by trusting not only our leader/co-leader but others clans as well, and have a better feeling that everyone in our clan or in others clans are all treated equally.

- We want to have everyone from THE WHOLE 1.16N Community to post, like that not only we can clean quake of its hackers (hopefully), and ultimately, if people that are bored of hackers in other games such as Counter-strike , unreal tournament 3 (which have instagib just like us) and they heard about the reputation of our clean server, we might be able to keep this community alive for a few more years, or even revive it.

- Lastly, since we know that there is not really a police in CTF, we would also be inviting CTF clans to take part on this, and they will bring a better and accurate opinion on CTF demos and most of the people on CTF have a very good TDM background. We would also invite 3 special persons that have been helping this community bloom up to this day so here a list of Clans and people invited to join this project


INVITATION


TDM CLAN
[i]
g0d
ue
o2o
pwp
sBs ( we would like everyone else have 2 person from our clan )

CTF CLAN
foo'
wm
[em]

Special person
Maverick
HellSpawn
Nex


Some clans might feel left out, but realistically we can't have every clans on 1.16 to be part of this because it will be too much. We also pick clan depending on the activities, involvement with the community, and so on.


This is something, I work on, and I propose it to my clan to host it, and then ASKING EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY if they will accept the idea that Im proposing, because I want everyone to be treated equally, and I want us all to have fun playing this game until the last day. Lastly, Im not even participating on this.... Im just proposing it, so whoever think that im doing it for some benefit, sadly you are wrong. So now the final word are up to you community 1.16n of Quake III

Any question comment feel free to ask me on xfire : Telekinifox
Please keep this topic spamless thanks you

We already have thing sort out, and here is what it would look after you get caught (please for the love of god dont go in there)

http://sbs.noghost.net/evo/modules.php?name=Hall_of_Shame



P.S You dont have to agree, or join, but if you could, it would really be good, because the goal of this is united us all, but again it is ur decision

2A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:29 pm

Pornfish

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Well any effort matters. Count me in for whatever.

3A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:46 pm

Shannet

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loon wrote:Final Version
- Every clans that has been on quake for a long period (3-4years) of times (we would like American clans only for the purpose of a fair trial and because we would have a better knowledge of every players) or it is actually well respected enough will have one leader and their co-leader as a JUDGE in this system. (If clan that have more than one leader, they can have 2 leaders instead of one leader and one Co-leader)

so you all will only be discussing american players not euro right? cause if ur dicussing every member in the community that will be silly to only have Americans clan leaders Suspect

4A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:51 pm

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Shannet wrote:
loon wrote:Final Version
- Every clans that has been on quake for a long period (3-4years) of times (we would like American clans only for the purpose of a fair trial and because we would have a better knowledge of every players) or it is actually well respected enough will have one leader and their co-leader as a JUDGE in this system. (If clan that have more than one leader, they can have 2 leaders instead of one leader and one Co-leader)

so you all will only be discussing american players not euro right? cause if ur dicussing every member in the community that will be silly to only have Americans clan leaders Suspect

As long as euro do not interact with americans clans they should be no worry right? (even if u are euro, but if u get caught selling drug in america, you will be punish like any american)
And if you dont do anything wrong why would you worry? but again, the idea of no euro, is because we do not "NORMALLY" scrim them so we do not know euro player, and if we are judging them it will be unfair. However, if you are scriming american clans, then sadly u are no foreign to us anymore (but again there is exeption to any rule)

5A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:56 pm

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loon wrote:

As long as euro do not interact with americans clans they should be no worry right? (even if u are euro, but if u get caught selling drug in america, you will be punish like any american)
And if you dont do anything wrong why would you worry? but again, the idea of no euro, is because we do not "NORMALLY" scrim them so we do not know euro player, and if we are judging them it will be unfair. However, if you are scriming american clans, then sadly u are no foreign to us anymore (but again there is exeption to any rule)

we scrim h$ all the time, and there are quite a few euro people in "american" clans

6A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:10 pm

Seepage

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YOU WILL NEVER CATCH ME

7A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:27 pm

Shannet

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yes H$ clan have alot of american members and we scrim alot of american clan so does LoVe, Vzx,gE and sRs those are the main euro clans..

8A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:17 pm

schwizzboy

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lol what a joke, if you call someone a cheater you cant lock the topic, how are they supposed to defend themselves and make you look stupid for trying?, kids are kids you aint gonna stop them from hacking, only way this could possibly have any validity is if all judges voted teh same way, and that wolnt happen.

9A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:22 pm

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anythign that helps catch hackers

FYI there are no topics in mambers only section, maybe 1 or two. I think some one said this on era forum where u saw it but its not true.

10A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:32 pm

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nice sig bk >.>

11A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:33 pm

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Seems nice and if it can help to get rid of hackers! Im for it

http://www.pwpclan.org

12A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:56 pm

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Asianboy wrote:nice sig bk >.>

heheeeheheheh

13A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:11 am

T@D

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way too many holes in it. 1 NO vote beats all yes votes. So the decision can be left up to 1 person.

Good idea in general, but count me out unless theres a better "fair" value.

http://www.pwpclan.org

14A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:13 am

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T@D wrote:way too many holes in it. 1 NO vote beats all yes votes. So the decision can be left up to 1 person.

Good idea in general, but count me out unless theres a better "fair" value.

agreed

15A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:06 am

T@D

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loon wrote:
PWP:
1. Most of thing are in member section so no one can see
2. Not enough opinion given from the community, but mainly from pwp

1.Well, we dont talk about "cheaters" in our member section at all. It's some misscinception someone said a while back and ppl seem to believe it. Im really not sure why. The only discussion we had was about reck...and that was in the leader section due to it being a clanmate. We also contributed to the public topic as well.

2.I do agree there. there isnt alot of "community" input here on and most of it is from pwp but......well, this is the pwp website. We dont discourage others from posting, they are free to do so at anytime. It being a clan site, your traffic typically grows from your core group, your clan. Thats why most of us seem to post on topics like hackers, casue we post here more often due to it being our site.

The 1 thing I dont get it it seems like everyone is sorta giving up decision making of the servers they pay for to this "council". Correct me if Im wrong on that.

http://www.pwpclan.org

16A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:20 am

Pornfish

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I have to agree, that veto thing is ridiculous. If X's clan clanmate gets accused, they'll just say no. I'm not saying all clan's leaders do that, but I know some that do...

17A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:48 am

schwizzboy

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yah this shoulda been given more thought, something cant succeed that is drawn up poorly.

18A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:16 am

Snipeja

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I like the idea as long as the judges are true to the game. Someone has to stop the hackers.

19A new System against hacker Empty Re: A new System against hacker Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:22 am

wakey

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this system doesnt mean hackers it means people who other people belive hack demos can only be used so far a drop is the only certain way

and since many people in this game couldnt put aside personal feeling for the sakeof the game it wont work true there are some who will but others wont

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