The truth, its time you all know.

T@D wrote:

Time for me to play the other side of the coin!!!

Yes, weed is a drug but... so is nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine...... all of which are actually proven to be addictive and also have much more harmful, long term, effects then weed. Although there are some of the same chemical based carthigens in weed as tobacco...there has never been a "proven" direct connection comparing the effects of weed on the lungs and tobacco. In some types of cancer, weed actually slows the growth some studies have shown. (Breast cancer being the newest study).

As far as people smoking a joint before work..... bus drivers, teachers, civil servants, lifeguards... who ever. I'd rather them do that then drink alcohol..... which, although against almost all company policies, is completely legal. Weed reacts differently to everyone, for everyone.

Lazarus McDeathsinger wrote:The problem with legalizing weed, is that you're validating an economy that has basically raped almost every country south of the U.S.. Validating criminal's life, and actually worsening the problem of drug traffick in the american continent. Imagine all the problems this would create for the people that live in countries where the whole economy of pot traffick has been fired up incredibly due to a whole new, legal, fresh, and gigantic market that opens up.

Sure, they'll be the legal grown pot, but how many people grow their vegetables? Or why would people pay big taxes when they could get the drug for cheaper in the black market? These are all issues that need to be taken in consideration.

Also, keep in mind you'll probably lose a whole generation of kids to the "novelty factor" of legal pot.

Lazarus McDeathsinger wrote:
Sure, they'll be the legal grown pot, but how many people grow their vegetables? Or why would people pay big taxes when they could get the drug for cheaper in the black market? These are all issues that need to be taken in consideration. I disagree. I wouldn't by vegetables from Mexico when I know the vegetables I buy at my market are the same exact thing. And how would imports of any vegetation be cheaper as an import then domestic. I cant think of 1 thing thats "perishable" being food or vegetation that is imported here yet producible in the US... thats cheaper.
Also, keep in mind you'll probably lose a whole generation of kids to the "novelty factor" of legal pot. That I agree with.

Zaneff wrote:
And you know what its not just about weed, its about poverty, war, injustice, common sence, fear, freedom, and our rights.

big*buck wrote:My American history teacher brought up a good point in lecture last year. This is probably the only thing i remember in that class.

Why does the government choose to let cigarettes stay legal even though they cause so much harm to a human body? Why not legalize weed in the united states and charge taxes and make more revenue to better roads and such? The answer is simple. Why would people pay outrages taxes to support their habbit, when all they have to do is grow it in their back yard? Unlike tobacco, which needs a moist, tropical environment, weed can grow just about anywhere. Therefore legalizing it in the United States would serve no benefit for the American government.

Lazarus McDeathsinger wrote:Edit: @Tad's post:

No, but marihuana being the substance it is, will probably get high sales taxes like tobacco and alcohol. There isn't an example of a cheaper perishable simply because there is no underground potato market, or even the potential to set it up.

On marihuana's case, the underground market is already there, and they are in great advantage, in both distribution and production, when compared to the hypothetical legal companies that would deal with these kinds of product.

big*buck wrote:Like i said... It would be nearly, if not fully, impossible to inforce a tax on weed, due to the fact that you can grow it ANYWHERE.

Lazarus McDeathsinger wrote:Well I agree with tad's first response, so that's that (Edit: by this, I meant 12 posts above me.)

On growing your own, yes, it may be easy, and yes it may be hard to tax it, but believe me, most people won't grow their own. There's a number of reasons for this. Correct, but like I said, if handled properly... USA grown weed will still be cheaper then black market foreign weed of the same quality.

For one, nobody would like to invite their mom over to their house-full of weed plants in the same way nobody likes to invite their mom over to their completely legal handcrafted dildo collection. There's a whole social stigma that you're taking in when you grow your own weed plants. Maybe it's legal, but you can't change the mindset that has been established for ages. You think an employer would hire regular weed smoker over a non-smoker just because it became legal? No offence, but an extremely flawed paragraph. First off, would you invite your parents over with a 6 pack of beer in the fridge? It's not like those who would grow pot would put it as their table setting center piece. And as far as comparing dildos to a pot plant.... well, knowing your infatuation to dildos... Ill let that go.

Another point is that it is just far more convenient to buy your weed and stash it on your drawer than to grow your own. Same thing I said... but I still say it would be cheaper if compaired to quality to buy it from the US government as opposed to buying on some dark road.

Believe it or not, you can fermentate potatoes and make vodka for a small fraction of the price, and it's easier and less time consuming than you think. Yet, how many people do it? And how come the sales tax for vodka is relatively high? To make a pot plant you need 4 things. Light, water, soil, and a seed.... thats it. To convert potatoes to vodka by using a still method is completely apples and oranges. Essentially... you can take a pot plant, in teh right climate.... put it in the ground and come back a few weeks later... and guess what, U gots weed. Trying to create alcohol is a completely different, and uncomparable venture. As far as the taxed... it's called the "sin tax" The government is taxing everything they can that they can "prove" is addictive or can have enought people stay onboard to use for research for other things that tehy can also tax. The "soda" tax is next. They will be taxing soda by volume in the very near future. That bill is on the table. If you dont believe me, look it up.

So I'm beating around the bushes now, the fact is that weed won't be legalized because there's a hell of a lot more to look into than just "will it make it easier for little Jimmy to get his weed?", and thus, it won't be legalized anytime soon, as tad said. Correct.

T@D wrote:

Zaneff wrote:
weed is a gateway drug - biggest BS ive ever heard weed just cause i like to get high doesnt mean im going to start injecting my self with morphine and heroin?? WTF, its true dont get me wrong, majourity of people that move on to coke and heroin do, do weed first, but the fact is less then 3% of weed smokers go to harder drugs, and whys that? because this stupid prohibition catogorizes weed in the black market with all the other harder drugs, if people didnt have to get their weed from people who are also selling coke and heroin, why the fuck would they even move on to those drugs?? 100% of the people who smoke weed and move on to the harder drugs (witch is once again only 3% of people) was cause of the dealers they picked off of, asking them if they wanted something "better"

Where do you get your info? You are actually blaming the drug dealers that sell the weed for people using other drugs? You have GOT to be kidding me. And the "fact is".... what facts exactly? The "facts" from your partial documentry?

How about this.... "The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University found adolescents who smoke pot 85 times more likely to use cocaine than their non–pot smoking peers. And 60 percent of youngsters who use marijuana before they turn 15 later go on to use cocaine" I this study I don't see any 3%..... but your says 3%. So who's right? Its objective. There is no study that can poll every person in the world. The fact of the matter is.... these studies show the results of the people who they studied..... not a consensus of the entire population.


This is what I find the most entertaining about this "movement". First off, it's not new. This has been going on since before some of your parents were even born. This will not ever be completely legalized..... ever. But the best part about it is this...

The people fighting it are typically ingnorant and selfish. Heres my proof.

The 1st "legalize it" modern movement was the fact that hemp is an extremely strong material and was more economical to make/use for ropes and other applications. Basically, the "potheads" were given hemp legally to use..... then they realized.... "shit, we cant smoke hemp, we need to push so its legal to smoke!. Gah, we were stoned when we came up with that idea."

Part 2. Weed for medical use. Many states in the US have authorized the medical use via a state medical card registration. The pot heads won!!!! They were elated!!!!!! Well, until they realized being out of pot wasnt a medical ailment. So they said "Well shit... we got it legal for all of the sick people, but we still cant smoke legally. Must-a been stoned when we came up with that idea as well."

Its simple. People pushing this movement could "typically" give 2 shits less aboput the guy dying who is allowed weed so suppress his
pain, or the elderly lady that needs weed to help with her cataracts. No, they were already granted that and now they are pushing for themselves. Noone gives 3 shits if their neighbor is allowed to smoke, or the guy down the road.... or even in another country. The "movement" is selfishly motivated be people who want their illegal activity eradicated so they wont go to jail for this "victim-less crime".

You wanna smoke weed in the streets, move to Amsterdam if it's that important to you.

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