reck

http://www.speedyshare.com/352616614.html

before u watch the demo pls type the following into ur console...

/cg_drawtimer 1
/r_shownormals 1

if u havent already lol...times are approximate

at 3:05 he knows enemy is around on the side talking, but just could be rail sound, but i think he would of had to get it mixed up since he had a team mate near, suspicious but not proof

at 3:34 shot from RA to Mid suspicious but not proof

at 4:30 across RA follows target with crosshair, suspicious but not proof

5:50 Enemy in Rocket Launcher Upper part he keeps looking near that point with gaunt

at at 7:02 in Hallway between YL and Q shoots wall directly where target stands on other side and bounces off...error with skill? or error with hiding hax? fairly condemming

at 8:42 looks thru stairs in RL and doesnt aim at the little bit of head he might have been able to see...instead he puts crosshair on the stairs...why would u do that? fairly condemming

at 10:02 looks thru floor of RL into Dun and actually follows the target briefly...than seems to catch his mistake and correct it...really condemming

at 10:14 looks thru stairs going from basement to Mega, suspicious but not proof

14:10 He follows an enemy RJ to RL upper part if you witch without shownormals you will see that he doesn't see him do it but he still moves up.

at 15:50 the guy has a guanlet and u cant even see his body behind the pillar and the chat sign either so reck looks through the pillar sees he is typing and goes away

please review and respond to these shots...if u have another time to add pls do...

and please noone put shit on us for trying to help its just a demo and a suspicion, just for the community

I asked Mario to post this. DO NOT COMMENT UNTILL YOU HAVE WATCHED THE DEMO.

I don't want any *pWp* clan members defending anyone without watching. This is a demo of a player in Quake, treat it as such.

Just want to let you know mario also, personally I would say get a demo of me in a scrim I play better, that was me messin around in there. But GL with it.

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at 3:05 you're assuming I know someone is talking? And also, no reason to put suspicious but no proof.. Reason being you are posting a demo of someone is to SHOW PROOF. Not say not proof.

at 3:34 same thing as my statement above. It's useless.

at 4:30 same
5:50

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at 7:02 lol. Well let's see bro.. you tell me I've been playing the same way for 2-3 years now? So have I hacked all those years and don't know how to use it!?.. lol.
at 8:42 you could hear what direction he is in and he was no where else to be seen, why wouldn't he be there?

at 10:02 Don't assume that I "catch" a mistake, I didn't have a mistake to begin with.. Tell me exactly, why would I (if I were hacking) point exactly into dungeon? Please, explain.

at 10:14 same as the above one about uselessness.

14:10 absolutely nothing.

at 15:50 hm.. let me ask you.. would you waste time on a afker or pay to attention to the OTHER SIX people that are at the computer playing, tell me.

Link does not work. Well, it does, but it says that the file has been deleted because it is too old.
Note: 9 downloads.

http://era.noghost.net/html/files/reck.dm3

There.

wow this is chinese for me

Alot of ''suspicious shots'' but nothing has a real value has a proof. I'm pretty sure when you play against people that don't play serious or are just sucking ass and they never move you can hear exactly where they are. I'm sure if you demo any good players in a scrim there would be more suspicious shots.

OK I will try to give a possibility for all of these.

3:05-No explanation needed just a clear chatfrag and could clearly see him walking into quad.

3:34-Recko would have shot me on the first time not the 4th

4:30-Nothing Here.

5:50- If he knew where the enemy was wouldn't he have his rail out and not be trying to get a good read of where he was by sound using gaunt?

7:02-Just missed a shot. He saw where he landed and tried to shoot but missed.

8:42-You have to remember about cgame. The enemys are larger and coul possibly be seen or the color can be seen. I have seen his cfg I asked for it and it is dark and enemys stick out like they would there.

10:02- He sees enemy go into dungeon and turns to look if he has rail jumped because sometimes the head of the player will stick out into rocket launcher( I have seen this many times) and after he doesnt see or hear him he moves in on his target.

10:14-No Proof at all there.

14:10- He hears and catches a glimpse of the enemy going up top and sees if he has a shot at the enemy. If wall hack he would know that the enemy wasn't in a kill spot.

15:50-You have to remember about cgame. The enemys are larger and coul possibly be seen or the color can be seen. I have seen his cfg I asked for it and it is dark and enemys stick out like they would there.

I think we are just watching a good player run around a map killing people who are not trying at all and talked the whole game. No skill really needed just a mess around game. Also I think if he did wall hack he would have made a lot more shots than he did. IMO all clear.

Also, shouldn't you be worried with priorites first btw? Like keeping hacks out of your clan (detox) that has also dropped/been labeled a recent hacker.. just a thought

clear imo. just watched it wsk u should watch some demos of old skoolers, go demo jesus burn stoned meva bird whatever lol u'll find a lot more and still clear

//EDIT//

im an idiot
lalalla

i want to say that i have not watched the demo, and i cannot. Im on Dial up.

HOWEVER.

I have seen other demos and come across other information to say that Reck is a suspicious player. The demos i have seen, are not conclusive, as iam sure this one isnt as well.

Nothing against Reck as a person or player, but its in my opinion that he is a very suspicious player and the more demos we get to prove him a cheater, or to prove his innocence are greatly appreciated.


Also, i dont think useing Show Normals is at all helpfull. Get used to NOT USEING IT, becuase the new Noghost build wont have it in there;)

Yes it is a pretty suspicious demo, and mario did the right thing. If I saw a player play like that, I would have demoed and posted too.

wow, this demo was from a while ago... lol but no i disagree with the accusation. i have scrimmed with reck a lot and know his style. he listens for enemies and waits for them to make mistakes. a lot of his shots are based on instinct or where he believes a player would be. WsK is the demo clan so i'm pretty sure Mario has some demos of me. hope you got my good side

and no acually i don't hav demos of u...u suck too much XD i don't really demo that many people. but ok

ya i know i suck. u guys are funny, during wsk scrim - "did you get the demo?" and three people chime in "yeah i got the scrim!" lol

Ill wait for comp on this one.

i think ther is too much bias both ways to decide, take for example vendetta im sure lots of you think he hacks but after a few in the clan thinks he hacks pretty much every1 in the clan thinks he does, and since he is in our clan weve played with him alot gotten used to his style so if he did hack anyways we would just be used to that style and see anything wierd then wat he has already done, and also we wouldn't want him to be a hacker since he is in our clan...i think this is the exact same cause for reck only flipped.

So how do I watch it?

download it. cut paste into demos folder in ur baseq3. run q3 and go to demos. select this one.

i know reck since KR but we were never exactly friends nor anythin like that, and i joined this clan like idk 2 weeks ago top? and i've played with him loads of time since i joined and to me seems just like any other skilled old schooler player.. anyway im done here i already said what i think hes clean imo

I have to agree with metallicat, he is a suspicious player and more demos we have more it's going to be easy to decide if he hacks or not.

watched it....

nothing at all suspicious to me... i heard everybody he shot... he uses sound extremely well and he can almost pin point where an enemy is in the other room just by using sound...thats the way i play also but recko has mastered it better than me so far...

+1!!!

wskmario wrote:i think ther is too much bias both ways to decide, take for example vendetta im sure lots of you think he hacks but after a few in the clan thinks he hacks pretty much every1 in the clan thinks he does, and since he is in our clan weve played with him alot gotten used to his style so if he did hack anyways we would just be used to that style and see anything wierd then wat he has already done, and also we wouldn't want him to be a hacker since he is in our clan...i think this is the exact same cause for reck only flipped.

Don't compare me to some noob. Please, it is different.

wskmario wrote:i think ther is too much bias both ways to decide, take for example vendetta im sure lots of you think he hacks but after a few in the clan thinks he hacks pretty much every1 in the clan thinks he does, and since he is in our clan weve played with him alot gotten used to his style so if he did hack anyways we would just be used to that style and see anything wierd then wat he has already done, and also we wouldn't want him to be a hacker since he is in our clan...i think this is the exact same cause for reck only flipped.

none of us think vendetta hacks unless you have a demo to prove otherwise...