reck

First topic message reminder :

http://www.speedyshare.com/352616614.html

before u watch the demo pls type the following into ur console...

/cg_drawtimer 1
/r_shownormals 1

if u havent already lol...times are approximate

at 3:05 he knows enemy is around on the side talking, but just could be rail sound, but i think he would of had to get it mixed up since he had a team mate near, suspicious but not proof

at 3:34 shot from RA to Mid suspicious but not proof

at 4:30 across RA follows target with crosshair, suspicious but not proof

5:50 Enemy in Rocket Launcher Upper part he keeps looking near that point with gaunt

at at 7:02 in Hallway between YL and Q shoots wall directly where target stands on other side and bounces off...error with skill? or error with hiding hax? fairly condemming

at 8:42 looks thru stairs in RL and doesnt aim at the little bit of head he might have been able to see...instead he puts crosshair on the stairs...why would u do that? fairly condemming

at 10:02 looks thru floor of RL into Dun and actually follows the target briefly...than seems to catch his mistake and correct it...really condemming

at 10:14 looks thru stairs going from basement to Mega, suspicious but not proof

14:10 He follows an enemy RJ to RL upper part if you witch without shownormals you will see that he doesn't see him do it but he still moves up.

at 15:50 the guy has a guanlet and u cant even see his body behind the pillar and the chat sign either so reck looks through the pillar sees he is typing and goes away

please review and respond to these shots...if u have another time to add pls do...

and please noone put shit on us for trying to help its just a demo and a suspicion, just for the community

wskmario wrote:i think ther is too much bias both ways to decide, take for example vendetta im sure lots of you think he hacks but after a few in the clan thinks he hacks pretty much every1 in the clan thinks he does, and since he is in our clan weve played with him alot gotten used to his style so if he did hack anyways we would just be used to that style and see anything wierd then wat he has already done, and also we wouldn't want him to be a hacker since he is in our clan...i think this is the exact same cause for reck only flipped.

none of us think vendetta hacks unless you have a demo to prove otherwise...

.acid wrote:

wskmario wrote:i think ther is too much bias both ways to decide, take for example vendetta im sure lots of you think he hacks but after a few in the clan thinks he hacks pretty much every1 in the clan thinks he does, and since he is in our clan weve played with him alot gotten used to his style so if he did hack anyways we would just be used to that style and see anything wierd then wat he has already done, and also we wouldn't want him to be a hacker since he is in our clan...i think this is the exact same cause for reck only flipped.

none of us think vendetta hacks unless you have a demo to prove otherwise...

o come off it thats a lie i no that atlest 1 of u has demos of him n says he does
but thats off the point but tbh ive watched the demo and i agree with u most of it seems like its ound the only 2 point i think r strange are the rl in2 d 1 but then it could b bl and the y 2 rl wen he was typing bc wen i looked at the demo i could c he was typing n wen i 1st watched it i thought he was camping there not typingbut idk its my view 2 strange point out of a 15+ demo (wat i can rember)

wskmario wrote:
at 15:50 the guy has a guanlet and u cant even see his body behind the pillar and the chat sign either so reck looks through the pillar sees he is typing and goes away

Reckoning wrote:at 15:50 hm.. let me ask you.. would you waste time on a afker or pay to attention to the OTHER SIX people that are at the computer playing, tell me.

wskmario wrote:i think ther is too much bias both ways to decide, take for example vendetta im sure lots of you think he hacks but after a few in the clan thinks he hacks pretty much every1 in the clan thinks he does, and since he is in our clan weve played with him alot gotten used to his style so if he did hack anyways we would just be used to that style and see anything wierd then wat he has already done, and also we wouldn't want him to be a hacker since he is in our clan...i think this is the exact same cause for reck only flipped.

/mindblowup


Reck:: vend3tta is not just some noob, vend3tta is very skilled
and I would say his skill exceeds both yours...and mine.

I think Reck is clean. +1

wakey wrote:o come off it thats a lie i no that atlest 1 of u has demos of him n says he does

wakey don't get angry at me. i'm not the one who has the demo and says he hacks. no need for the hostility

.acid wrote:

wskmario wrote:i think ther is too much bias both ways to decide, take for example vendetta im sure lots of you think he hacks but after a few in the clan thinks he hacks pretty much every1 in the clan thinks he does, and since he is in our clan weve played with him alot gotten used to his style so if he did hack anyways we would just be used to that style and see anything wierd then wat he has already done, and also we wouldn't want him to be a hacker since he is in our clan...i think this is the exact same cause for reck only flipped.

none of us think vendetta hacks unless you have a demo to prove otherwise...

not acording to b|k rofl he said he had a demo of him and u all hav seen it i think total also told me that awhile ago

wskmario wrote:not acording to b|k rofl he said he had a demo of him and u all hav seen it i think total also told me that awhile ago

all have us have seen it? b|k is hardly representative of all pWp members. be more specific

wskmario wrote:

.acid wrote:

wskmario wrote:i think ther is too much bias both ways to decide, take for example vendetta im sure lots of you think he hacks but after a few in the clan thinks he hacks pretty much every1 in the clan thinks he does, and since he is in our clan weve played with him alot gotten used to his style so if he did hack anyways we would just be used to that style and see anything wierd then wat he has already done, and also we wouldn't want him to be a hacker since he is in our clan...i think this is the exact same cause for reck only flipped.

none of us think vendetta hacks unless you have a demo to prove otherwise...

not acording to b|k rofl he said he had a demo of him and u all hav seen it i think total also told me that awhile ago

You make me sound like an ass. Vendetta said he was making a movie so I told him I have some demos that he could use.

all pWps who have demos of Vendetta, please raise your hand lol

Vendetta said he was making a movie so I told him I have some demos that he could use.

LOL

THE DEMOS OF HIM THAT YOU TOOK BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT HE HAX

xD

haha...first of all, every scrim ive watched with Vend playing pwp, the pwp team chat is funny...u all think he hax...fact is...ive demoed him a few times and he's clean...second of all, this topic is about reck...how can u watch the demo and see him following the player in the dungeon with his crosshair and not think he hax? this is the most conclusive demo on a player ive seen in a long time and its still being debated...of course his clanmates dont want to think he hax but its pretty obvious...lastly, if he doesnt get banned for his hax ban him cuz hes a shit talking douche...lol

lol time 13:27...from mid to dungeon (proof)

http://rapidshare.com/files/125306398/reckoning.dm3.html

Ok, I'm gonna explain shot by shot what's going on.
I watched each shot repeatedly and this is the most plausible explanations I found:

3:05 - You can hear footsteps of the chatter getting into the corner while reck is in yellow hall.

3:34 - He's already aiming at middle hallway, like most people standing where he was would do, and just saw bk come out of it.

4:20 - This one was a hard one. You can hear the rail hum but I, personally, would never have. But I guess that's part of why I suck xD.

5:50 - Absolutely nothing weird there.

7:02 - He knew where the enemy was, and shot a doorframe trying to shoot him. I would say hack if it had been in the middle of a wall, but it was the edge.

8:42 - He's in back hall, and comes to a stop the exact moment he hears a railhum, he takes a sec to pinpoint the target on the left side, comes into RL checks and there's no one there, the only place left is the staircase where he couldn't see. He melts the guy and railjump to get a shot at the enemy.

10:02 - I can't explain it.

10:14 - Hears the railhum, and points at nearest spawn point.

14:10 - I didn't see anything wallhacky. But about your description, you can hear the railjump.

15:10 - You can't call it a hack shot if it wasn't a shot. He looked to see if there was an enemy, didn't see anything and moved on. The shownormals just confused you into thinking he was looking at the enemy, but he was just checking the fastest spot to check when entering rl.


Ok that's my review, I'm not an expert, and I'm certainly not experienced, but that's the most plausible explanations for each shot you mentioned. The only shot I can't explain is 10:02.

And ffs, keep Vendetta or the demos people have or don't have on him out of this topic or I'll start deleting posts.

NooB wrote:haha...first of all, every scrim ive watched with Vend playing pwp, the pwp team chat is funny...u all think he hax...fact is...ive demoed him a few times and he's clean...second of all, this topic is about reck...how can u watch the demo and see him following the player in the dungeon with his crosshair and not think he hax? this is the most conclusive demo on a player ive seen in a long time and its still being debated...of course his clanmates dont want to think he hax but its pretty obvious...lastly, if he doesnt get banned for his hax ban him cuz hes a shit talking douche...lol

i dislike anni as much as anyone. But he does have skill. And this is NOT a conclusive demo. I watched it and yeah its suspicious and you would need more demos to prove its hacks. Or not. I agree with Cat and Axel. But this demo is not proof enough for me.

NooB wrote:lastly, if he doesnt get banned for his hax ban him cuz hes a shit talking douche...lol

i wanted to play a relaxing game tonight but wsk wanted to scrim so i said ok.during the game renames by wsk after the games shit talking about us camping .
Seems you just want to ban him weather hes clean or not .
As for conclusive you are who that Im going to say ah noob said its conclusive ban him?

Ive asked many many players and refs to look at recons demos want the response i got?
uses sound very very well ,plays campy,
Meva said i feel like he might be hacking but no real proof

recon has been playing as long or longer that most of you

cat Im not going to watch the demo ill leave it to other refs since anni was my coleader
in kr

Btw wsk gg even though i sucked

This is an on-going issue. There is no sense in argueing about stupid shit, that doesnt even have anything to do with the topic at hand, and no sense in argueing weather or not he cheats when clearly there still isnt enough evidence to absolutly prove it.

Like i said before. Get more.

reck admitted that he didnt have "great" sound when he was talking about headphones...so u know he cant hear all that well...im sorry metallicat, but there is plenty of proof here...the first demo alone should have been enough...and with this previous demo its more than enough...he constantly makes the mistake of looking in the general direction of players through walls...then tries to cover it...but he slips up in mid staring at dungeon...he was heading out for red armor, stops and looks at a wall...lol...then goes right back and shoots into dungeon...he also slips up in first demo when hes got his crosshair right on target through the floor of rl into dungeon...why do so many people from different clans think he hax? hmmm...

ummm...wsk wanted to scrim? nah, we played in zone b/c pwp wanted to scrim...and if their was a ref present watching the team chat they'd know that we hardly put in an effort due to the fact that u guys just camp corners...and i could personally care less if ppl talk shit, but its annoying and uncalled for...reck comes into pm2 and acts like he knows hes gonna win every time...his attitude doesnt help his case at all...and as for him playing a long time...lol...he railjumps like hes been playing a month...and he camps like hes never played at all...but then again hes pwp...seems to be the new thing with u guys...ive seen less evidence provided against players and there was hardly a debate at all that they hax...

NooB wrote:ummm...wsk wanted to scrim? nah, we played in zone b/c pwp wanted to scrim...and if their was a ref present watching the team chat they'd know that we hardly put in an effort due to the fact that u guys just camp corners...and i could personally care less if ppl talk shit, but its annoying and uncalled for...reck comes into pm2 and acts like he knows hes gonna win every time...his attitude doesnt help his case at all...and as for him playing a long time...lol...he railjumps like hes been playing a month...and he camps like hes never played at all...but then again hes pwp...seems to be the new thing with u guys...ive seen less evidence provided against players and there was hardly a debate at all that they hax...

That why i forwarded to the comunity refs
as for pm2 I havent been there so i cant comment.

I've watched it and it does look at little sus. But i notice alot of the pwp members say "+1" or "clean" you just have to imagine that he is not in your clan and he is someone you have not yet met. So all im saying is just because he's in your clan treat him as everyone else deserves to be.

To be perfectly honest, Noob, i think he does hack. Nothing personal Anni. However, i do believe that 2 demos with a few shots that are weird, is NOT enough to condem a person. My personal beliefs aside, the evidence that is there now, as ive said countless times, is clearly not enough.

Pornfish wrote:
15:10 - You can't call it a hack shot if it wasn't a shot. He looked to see if there was an enemy, didn't see anything and moved on. The shownormals just confused you into thinking he was looking at the enemy, but he was just checking the fastest spot to check when entering rl.

*b|K* wrote:
15:50-You have to remember about cgame. The enemys are larger and coul possibly be seen or the color can be seen. I have seen his cfg I asked for it and it is dark and enemys stick out like they would there.

wskmario wrote:
at 15:50 the guy has a guanlet and u cant even see his body behind the pillar and the chat sign either so reck looks through the pillar sees he is typing and goes away

Reckoning wrote:
at 15:50 hm.. let me ask you.. would you waste time on a afker or pay to attention to the OTHER SIX people that are at the computer playing, tell me.

this is the part which i really dont understand if he could c some1 there who with cgame is easyly done after i had tested it and y would he not go for them since u cant c the chatsign but can c the enemy
(btw i have defend all your other shots b4 hand but that 1 and another i find strange and cant explain)

Please noob, you're name actually means what it says when speaking of you. Headphones no matter what the cost of them have no differential hearing in quake. My 15$ Ipod bud headphones can hear everything that my 400$ T80 Sennheiser Wireless Headphones can hear. And you know what else.. even if you call me a cheater as long as I really don't I will play quake. It's just up to you all to be ignorant or not. Gl.

NooB wrote:ummm...wsk wanted to scrim? nah, we played in zone b/c pwp wanted to scrim...and if their was a ref present watching the team chat they'd know that we hardly put in an effort due to the fact that u guys just camp corners...and i could personally care less if ppl talk shit, but its annoying and uncalled for...reck comes into pm2 and acts like he knows hes gonna win every time...his attitude doesnt help his case at all...and as for him playing a long time...lol...he railjumps like hes been playing a month...and he camps like hes never played at all...but then again hes pwp...seems to be the new thing with u guys...ive seen less evidence provided against players and there was hardly a debate at all that they hax...

And before you go talking about railjump-- Maybe you shouldn't bring that up since you are no better of a player? I normally ever railjump because I like to keep my acc up. But if you really want next time let me know you are demoing me and I will railjump plenty enough for you to be satisfied to get a hard on.

Reckoning wrote:Please noob, you're name actually means what it says when speaking of you. Headphones no matter what the cost of them have no differential hearing in quake. My 15$ Ipod bud headphones can hear everything that my 400$ T80 Sennheiser Wireless Headphones can hear. And you know what else.. even if you call me a cheater as long as I really don't I will play quake. It's just up to you all to be ignorant or not. Gl.

Why so defensive?
chill out, your ether caught hacking or your not.. end of story
no reason to get all pissed off about it

If you earnestly want to prove you don't hax
record yourself with a video camera upload it to youtube and thats it!

I'm not getting pissed about it. How do you concur that I am being mad about it? Why do I want to go through all the trouble of getting a video of myself with a recorder and bullcrap like that. I just want to play the game dude. Not fool with being labeled a hacker, I try to catch hackers i'm not one.

http://www.speedyshare.com/135817268.html
suspicious didn't mark any times...can name 2 things off the top of my head...first pause he looks at enemy moves mouse back and shakes it...i could see his railgun but he may hav diff enemymodel then me or thought it was behind wall...2nd pause he looks at enemy in yellow for 1 second then moves it to the doorway...other then those pauses afteru see those 2 parts do /timescale 5 to skip through it then /timescale 1 to put at default speed