The new *pWp*

First topic message reminder :

Hello all current *pWp* members. Please read this post in its entirety due to the importance of the content. I don't expect everyone to agree with this post, all I ask is for you to read it with an open mind. Feel free to post replies after reading.

On March 21 2007, Jake and I had an idea. We wanted to make a clan so he and I could scrim other clans 2v2. This clan was built as a family, him and I being real life family. We did not make the clan wanting to be the best, we made the clan so him and I, as family, could have fun together and enjoy playing a video game. We decided not to make a forum or have a server at the beginning because we wanted to just have fun in the game together. Consider it a dream of ours if you will. We didn't expect to be the best, the largest, the most known...all we wanted was to have fun. We had a few people ask to join, we politely declined. Why? Because we wanted the clan to stay family. The idea was thought through after a few months of adding people. We added 1 person, mainly so we could 3v3 instead of only being able to 2v2. The skill of the person we added was good...but we didn’t have the family feeling that we started with. He eventually went inactive, and it was just us two again.

After some more time went by, we decided it was time to go public with the clan. Time to make a forum, time to have a server. I spent a fairly large amount of money having a server built that I could host from home. I upped my internet speed, got a static IP, and spent quite a while with frog learning how servers worked. We worked very hard on everything, changed a lot of things back and forth with the forums and servers....but never lost sight of 1 thing, we were a family. A place for fun. A get-a-way for those players that either were new or didn't fit in to the competitive side of the community. Once we had servers, and a forum...the clan started growing fast. We, however, keep a hold of the reigns tight to make sure our "dream" of what pwp stood for was kept. Family.

At the beginning after going public with the clan, we pretty much lost every scrim to every clan. That was ok, we weren’t bothered with winning or losing....we wanted to have fun. We were succeeding in our efforts. I would come home from work, after leaving my xfire on, and see 20 messages a day from friends in quake and pwp members....just saying hi. There was no "clicks", we were all for 1, and 1 for all. We maybe only had 8-10 members, but we all knew each other. We had great times together. No drama, no competition....just fun. Again, following our dream. More people came, more wanted to join...the clan continued to grow...as a family.

There have been a lot of changes since then. A lot has happened. A lot personally, and a lot in game. In the past 6 months or so, a lot of things have happened that put the "dream" in the background. A few situations that happened in the past 3 weeks confirmed that to me, hence my withdraw. I didn't ever leave "*pWp*"...the clan Jake and I created.....I withdrew from the new *pWp*...what it had become.

I’m going to share a few messages I got from people once I left:

[20:21] ReApz: woulda been less work to just kick everyone u didn’t feel honored your beliefs in pwp :p
[20:21] ReApz: but that's just me, shortcut lover
[20:21] ReApz: lol
[20:21] {F&F}.T@D.: lol
[20:21] {F&F}.T@D.: I was gonna do that
[20:21] {F&F}.T@D.: but
[20:21] ReApz: i know u were
[20:21] ReApz: lol
[20:22] ReApz: pWp was ur baby
[20:22] ReApz: my only point
[20:22] {F&F}.T@D.: still is
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23:23] *pWp*T@D*: i think im gonna leave
[23:23] *pWp*T@D*: I wanna give the clan to you
[23:24] *pWp*Big*Buck: no ur not!
[23:24] *pWp*T@D*: ya
[23:24] *pWp*Big*Buck: no
[23:24] *pWp*Big*Buck: man
[23:24] *pWp*Big*Buck: u just gonna take a break?
[23:24] *pWp*T@D*: I accomplished all I could
[23:24] *pWp*T@D*: its time to start new
[23:24] *pWp*Big*Buck: new?
[23:25] *pWp*T@D*: Im gonna make a new clan...go back to what I wanted pwp to be
[23:25] *pWp*Big*Buck: meh
[23:25] *pWp*T@D*: its way out of wack, and wont fix uless we kick ppl
[23:25] *pWp*T@D*: i dont wanna do tjat
[23:25] *pWp*Big*Buck: kick people!
[23:25] *pWp*Big*Buck: yes you do
[23:25] *pWp*Big*Buck: ill back you up
[23:25] *pWp*Big*Buck: 100%
[23:25] *pWp*Big*Buck: so will acid
[23:25] *pWp*T@D*: i know u would
[23:25] *pWp*Big*Buck: man
[23:26] *pWp*Big*Buck: ahh
[23:26] *pWp*T@D*: 'i wanna start new
[23:26] *pWp*T@D*: pwp has a VERY solid core
[23:26] *pWp*Big*Buck: yes
[23:26] *pWp*Big*Buck: it does
[23:26] *pWp*T@D*: it will continue
[23:26] *pWp*Big*Buck: but you need to be apart of it
[23:26] *pWp*Big*Buck: like you said
[23:26] *pWp*T@D*: i cant
[23:26] *pWp*Big*Buck: this is ur clan
[23:26] *pWp*Big*Buck: you have a tatto of it
[23:26] *pWp*T@D*: its not what i wanted
[23:26] *pWp*Big*Buck: man
[23:26] *pWp*Big*Buck: make it what you wanted
[23:27] *pWp*Big*Buck: kick people
[23:27] *pWp*Big*Buck: do w/e
[23:27] *pWp*Big*Buck: it takes
[23:27] *pWp*T@D*: i cant, its past that point
[23:27] *pWp*T@D*: i want it to continue to grow
[23:27] *pWp*T@D*: not slow it down
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*pWp?*Sync*: Within this week
*pWp?*Sync*: You will regain control of pWp
*pWp?*Sync*: You will discuss your concerns on said members that your wish to eject
*pWp?*Sync*: via topic
*pWp?*Sync*: You and *frog will have control of the boards
*pWp?*Sync*: you and *frog will have control of the servers, dedicating rcon and ref to a few only
*pWp?*Sync*: No leader Bs
*pWp?*Sync*: No Cl bs
*pWp?*Sync*: honorary member is cool
*pWp?*Sync*: People get a little power hungry and do things just to move up rank
*pWp?*Sync*: Rank doesn’t matter in pWp Its FUN
*pWp?*Sync*: so, why rank anyway?
*pWp?*Sync*: You know who you can count on
*pWp?*Sync*: Despite their rank, so if you need some help, asking will be none the different

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There are many more conversations but I don’t need to post them all. The basics I got from people was "pwp is your clan, you and frog made it....if it's changed to what you don’t want, fix it" Well, that’s what’s going to happen. Again, I don’t expect everyone to agree or be happy with the changes; all I ask is that you understand that frog and I put a lot of effort into this, a lot of time, a lot of learning.....before we even had 1 other member. After adding members, there are a lot of people who put the same time and effort in to continue the dream. It's time to get the dream back on the right road.

Here is a list of my personal concerns of how things were, to how they are now. I'll try and point out the differences the best I can.

Then: We all knew a lot about each other. We joked, played the game, scrimmed.
Now: The clan is divided into clicks. I would guess that I have talked no more then 1-3 times with 30% of the members outside of a server.

Then: We said GG after every scrim, win or lose.
Now: It's rarer to see that then see a complaint about either teamwork, camping, hacking...etc.

Then: No one said anything degrading to each other during a scrim.
Now: I have seen team chat and even been yelled at personally by people because I’m not play up to their standards.

Then: Our scrims were to enjoy the game. Win or lose, it was for fun.
Now: The clan cares about wining more then fun.

Then: You messaged anyone you saw on xfire if there was a scrim
Now: Clan members only seem to either ask those to scrim who have a higher value of skill or are in their "click"

Then: When a scrim ended, players rotated in and out with those who were in spec waiting.
Now: Decisions on who stays in are more decided on skill and winning.

Then: We tried to include everyone in every scrim we could. Trying to have everyone take part in the clan.
Now: Clicks and skill again override that.

Then: We did not argue with other clans no matter what they said about us. THAT’S how we gained respect.
Now: We feel the need to "defend" the clan....in a video game....online with people we don't even know.

Then: We all talked to each other in private regarding any personal problems we had with each other.
Now: We post in the forums our dirty laundry.

Then: The decisions made in the clan weren’t questioned except in private.
Now: People again, post negatively without coming to the leaders.

Then: The posts made were in fun and light hearted.
Now: The forums have a dark cloud at times of drama and personal feelings.

There are so many more changes I can state, but we need to put all that behind us....get rid of the now, and go back to the then.

I am posting a new member list. If your name is on it, you are in pWp. If your name is not on it, frog and I have decided that you are no longer apart of the clan. The decisions of why some are no longer on the member list vary, so if you are no longer in the clan, feel free to message frog and I for the reasons. There is also a structure change. The roles posted will be the new roles of each member.

Pending decisions will be posted at the bottom of the list. If you are on the pending list, it is due to frog and I needing to discuss some things with you before a final decision. It does not mean you are being removed from the clan. We just want to talk to you about a few things if you are inclined to do so.

Admin/Founder

*pWp*T@D*
*pWp*FRoG*

Members

*pWp*Big*Buck*
*pWp*Sync*
*pWp*Turtle*
*pWp*Juggernaut*
*pWp*Killbox*
*pWp*Azu *
*pWp*Tomma*
*pWp*AltF4*
*pWp*McDonalds*
*pWp*Wrath*
*pWp*RustySpoon*
*pWp*tr[!]gun*
*pWp*Neko*
*pWp*BlaZe*
*pWp*Asian*
*pWp*Snipeja*
*pWp*Poison*
*pWp*Ghost*
*pWp*W!feY*
*pWp*Shadow*
*pWp*HoOL*
*pWp*K!N$L3R*
*pWp*comprichard*
*pWp*Squ!rrel*
*pWp*Max!ma*
*pWp*Xtreme*
*pWp*Spartan*
*pWp*DavidD*
*pWp*A$H*
*pWp*k0*
*pWp*Tool*

Pending Memberships
*pWp*WakeY*
*pWp*Ant*
*pWp*Abyss*


I included everyone that is in the clan. If you are not on the list, please remove the tags. You are no longer in pwp. There is no longer anyone on trials. Activity will no longer be an issue. Once you are accepted into the pwp family, you will always be accepted into the pwp family until you decide its time for you to move on.

If you are on the list and would like to leave the family, please post. Leaving the clan will not be looked down upon; it is everyone’s personal decision.

Your decisions should be based on this post. Whether or not you feel you fit in to the way pwp is suppose to be. The way pwp is going to be.

I’ll give a few things to think about to help you decide if this is the right place for you. Answer these questions honestly to yourself.

Do I care if I win or lose?
Do I get mad at clan members who play bad in scrims?
Is teamwork more important then fun?
Do I need to post my personal dislikes of others in the forums?
Do I not want to include clan members in scrims due to personal reasons?
Do I not feel apart of the family?
Do I not want to get to know everyone in the clan?


If you personally answer any one of these questions with a YES, then maybe this is not the right clan for you. This is what the clan was built on, and this is where it’s going. If you find yourself questioning any parts of this,that may be an indication this is no longer a suitable home for you.

I have posted on many occasions “if the clan ends up just frog and I again, I’m ok with that”. That still stands. That will always stand.

It’s time for those still on the list to decide if you are part of this or not. It’s going back to being a family, plain and simple.

Here are a few more notes on how things will work:

Dallas is not a *pWp* server. Acid is the sole owner of the server. It will be his decision whether or not the ref section stays in the pwp forums or not and who the ref’s are.

Decisions made in the clan on all aspects including new memberships are reserved for Frog me only. However, we are always up for suggestions, feel free to post or contact any one of us. We are not saying no ones opinions matter by any means, we are just taking full responsibility of what steps the clan takes in the future.

The join topic will remain closed until further notice.

There will be quite a bit of topics removed from the forums that are not inline with the way pwp is suppose to be. They will not be deleted; they will be moved to a place they can not be seen. Therefore, you will not lose post count if that’s important to you.

The {F&F}.Cl@n. will become a club. Further details on that and the server will come soon.

Lastly. I know a few people will say or think “But you are the one who left”. I did, but I can’t see myself losing all the work frog and I put into this. Reaper and buck opened my eyes a lot. If the clan is not what frog and I want it to be, make it that way.

Also, I will take a lot of the blame for what the clan has become in a way. I am not saying “hey, you guys screwed everything up”. I was part of it as well. I made mistakes. I followed the wrong direction many times as well. I see those mistakes now. Now they will be fixed.

That’s what we are going to do.

The ball is in your court now. Time to decide what is best for you; we have decided what is best for the clan.

In either sense, GL in what ever decisions you make.

Sincerely,

T@D and FRoG

Well I dunno what you guys think happened, but I didn't leave because there was a "new" pWp... it was for a number of different reasons. In fact, I didn't leave as much as I was kicked... lol.

aspirin wrote:fucking pieces of shit all of you. fuck off tad, ur so gay, take control of the clan you left.. bullshit. this clan sucks now.

Yoou did that nice when its on page 5 end and begining page 6 nice

bwahahahahahaha can i just ask a quik off topic quetion? =D

how the fuck-didly-uck did recko ever make it in pwp ><
i thought attitude mattered :p

and unno no offence but i kinda agree with him o.0 (not about the wife part or the other pointles flaming)

but common are you seriouse? tad i love you as a distant father but is this for real? are you just gonna leave the clan when ever a new problem arises? like i dont see anything wrong with you taking back what is already yours and sumthing you worked so hard on, yours and frogs legacy, but.....what if it dosent go back to normal? it sure as hell already seems like its not getting off to a good start...what if it just turns out as another failed attempt cause as i recall the last time you came back and got control of the clan and started adding every one you said things were going to go back to how they were befor, and that youd fix things, it just got worse..no offence >.>....heres just my opinion i dont know you care for it and i sure as hell know all the other pwp members wont but look


KICK EVERY ONE let it just be you and frog again,
have try outs to see whod still stick around, and make try outs last for like 2-4 months just to get T lolz just how itused to be when porny was to lazy to make voting topics ><
unno i see youll find were your loyal members stand and were the hoppers hide, i dont find a point in keeping the clan that big cause honestly...imo half those people would dipp the second theyed have to work back their postions.


in the words of a retarded rapper, "point blank period."

Wowzers... I'm still in shock, at all the posts... :S

:/

deep stuff there tad. but it all is true. go pWp!

Reckoning wrote:

Shad0w wrote:That post is exactly what I am talking about. I need not say anything. No logical reasons to go down to the levels you live at.

FYI

I'm not gay
I will not stick a dildo up my tiny butthole, because I am not gay.
I will not suck your cock, because I am not gay.
I am not a retard, not even close.
Ignorance wasn't relevant the way you used it just so you know Because it is impossible to determine the outcome of a human decision

Such a douche-bag.. You try to act like you have some intelligence of some sort.. but your intelligence barely surpasses being able to breathe in oxygen and taking a crap. I'm sure you've tried to stick up something your "tiny little butthole" to even begin to know that it's "tiny". Take your silly, unintelligent, and ignorant comments, write them on a piece of paper and shove them up your "tiny butthole". You need to learn and get it through your ignorant brain that I DO NOT CARE. I WILL NOT CARE. YOUR PETTY LITTLE COMMENTS MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO ME. I WILL NEVER CARE. Gtfo.

lmfao the same old duk hade lol well i don't care ether cousei got my life going and i dont evin play lololololol oh well pace

Every action has a completely different reaction.. or something.

as does this concept, but it's t@d's dream and no0one can stand in the way of it.

goodluck *pWp*

<3 u all

to say iv been here long tiem in this clan hell i havea tatto of ppWp but you knwo i love this clan and as far as i see i ant gonig to live ..im just getting older and havea kid on the why so i really dont care what any of yo uthink but thes ppl and im for real read the names
TAd wife frog sket7ch sync azu shawdo big buck acid // and if you whant to knwo why cous eim old school hell i wish hoolgan woul dcoem back i wish alot for this clan but well i have no crontul of it and al i care abut is my life and what i hgave to do to live this is just agaem that I neko lol my name cat it mean funny but yah its just agame i paly whan i was liek 17 and played for a few years but you knwo life gose on thire is no need to fight in forums over some laters
and that what happing to the best clan i ever joined Pwp was so kool but yo uknwo i really dont care im here to saty why cous eim famly to tad wify and frog i know tham and i told tham il stay for life evin if i dont paly old as quake3


to all you mf that are fighting over a tag pWp look at you self and thi k abut you life in the real world not a gane
you knwo i stoped palying ad got me a girl that iv had afor agood tiem and im abut to havea kid why couse i dont site at home palying agame in fighti g over a tag
i lifet pwp on my own trims and im bake in pWp why couse tad whanted me in it im famly in my eyes i was here befor all you but a few ppl soem of my best frind is pwp dont paly any more liek hool i miss that Nigga but you knwo what thire is a whole world out thire go live it dotn foces on a game ..
take thes word to you hard and think

none can make smart decisions when their mind isnt focused
focus, figure out what u need to do...make a plan, execute it
the best word's I ever herd and needed to here.
lol ty tad for telling me that couse now my life is good couse that al yo uhave to do in any thing you do im not mad that he left hell in my eyes you were al riping PwP form what it was whan i joined but hey that quake 3 whan you havea bunch of kids palying

its equal and opposite reaction lol

well il toss a couple cents in here. as i was around during the creation of pwp.
i agree, it was always about fun, having people around you that were close, it wasnt about acc, or high scores.
tads offering the option to leave, if you dont like the new pwp, and said no hard feelings if it isnt for you.....
reck wasnt a "member" but he was. reck loved the style here, and how everyone was really close, but hes also very competitive, and heres not the place. so be it, why bad mouth him for it. hes a good player, just doesnt fit the "more laid back" atmosphere here. (for lack of a better phrase), i see nothing wrong with the change. go to another clan if its not fitting for you here...

when i left pwp, it was b/c it wasnt about winning, and i needed to improve. but i cant think of a bad thing to say about pwp, or frog , tad.

nicly ssayd nucking hell ppl me and nucking have been thor hell but i respicet him and will
and im shur he dose to couse he knows how long iv been here

nothing beats the original, great idea finally bringin it back T@D/Frog

anyone got a problem with it? to late, its already been accomplished

fo sho

i know i wasnt here and i know i missed all the things from the good times to this point. i got into other games but other games wasnt the only thing that made me leave quake.... whenever i tried to come back to quake or even play a game with u all i could see the players being more competitive every time i came on and also saw the all the "shit" pwp members said at the end of each scrim....bearly seen any GG.

i want to stay in pwp till the end. we had goo d times in the beginig when it was only the 10 of us and we played for fun..without competition.

i'm really glad tad made this decesion.

my Nigga llove ya hool this cat alwes got amy back

hooligan you will always be welcome here as we share the same vision, ty for your post friend

:tacobell: yeaaaa

ok look....

I'm gonna be honest with you... I haven't been around a whole hell of a lot but I know that everytime I played in a scrim it was never fun. Every time I make a post on this stupid forum there is always someoen attacking me..

Personally I'm glad that this has all taken place. Maybe now when I do return from hell I will feel at home!!!

And Tad, I have shown more than anyone how much I truely want to be in this clan... and How MUCH I APPRECIATE your thoughts and opinions, and how much i deserve to be a part of this.

Where are ur old siggy squirrel?

i unno.... :/

the I love frog n shit? u lost them?

i have no idea squirrel

Squ!rrel wrote:ok look....

I'm gonna be honest with you... I haven't been around a whole hell of a lot but I know that everytime I played in a scrim it was never fun. Every time I make a post on this stupid forum there is always someoen attacking me..

Personally I'm glad that this has all taken place. Maybe now when I do return from hell I will feel at home!!!

And Tad, I have shown more than anyone how much I truely want to be in this clan... and How MUCH I APPRECIATE your thoughts and opinions, and how much i deserve to be a part of this.

I whant you in pWp

ya bumba clut mon






























































:colorfro:

Well, almost 1600 views....seems like everyone got to read it. Sad to say, most took out of it an unclear inturpitation, but thats to be expected I suppose in a game with such a large range of ages and other differences. It was just a little dissapointing to hear some people say "im leaving since the clan dosent want to practice anymore" or "im leaving becasue I want to win and you don't".

I think what bothered me the most, and this dosent apply to everyone, is the fact that they either forgot what pwp was and did for them, or it didn't really mean anything. One main reason I came back was I thought to myself "where would I be in this game if not for pwp". I would have never made some friends I did. I would have never owned the #1 server in the country. I wouldnt have learned so much about servers...ect. Granted, being a co-founder did make my answer different then some, but it really seems most that decided to leave didnt take that step back. WHere would you be if not for pwp? Like frog has said, it was great to watch people grow in the clan. Watch their teamwork get better, their skill get better, their interactions with people get better. Alot of people "grew up" due to the clan, but it seems thats forgotten to them. Forgotten is what was handed to them, forgotten was the loyalty. I think that was what was the most sad to see in all of this. The clan didn't "change"...it changed back. We wernt taking things twards a different direction, we were getting back on track. Changes were allowed and things happened that needed to be fixed. They are now. Things are back to the same way as when all of the people that left, posted for the clan. The reasons people posted to join the clan was never due to skill, it was due to the respect we had. The respect we worked very hard to get. We didn't gain that by winning, we gained it on showing respect. It's seems that was forgotten by quite a few.

Well, times go on I suppose. I thank you all who are sticking it out, you have shown true loyalty and have my utmost respect. You have shown you havent lost the qualities that are the reason you were allowed into the clan at the beginning.

Lastly, food for thought. If wining did anything for me in real life.....I would change my views. If winning a scrim paid my bills, I would be the best out there. Everytime you win a scrim, no matter who it's against.....Let me know if there some special miracle that happens after you power down your computer.....casue I havent got 1. I have however learnec alot more about loyalty and commitment.


-T@D-